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Poster: latebutdeadicated Date: Jul 23, 2007 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Finest China/Rider

I am looking for some forum opinions and recomendations for favorite China/Riders.

My personal favorites as of now are 5-17-74 and 5-26-73

"Let the Music Play"

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Poster: yesss! Date: Jul 23, 2007 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

5/19/74!!!! just can't be touched imho. the transition jam is just perfect and the entire band is in the right place with the right line at the right time the whole way through. jerry is a bit quiet but his tone is amazing and he plays with complete creativity and emotion throughout. ensemble gd at it's finest.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 23, 2007 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

EXACTLY! 5-19-74 is THE tightest transition you'll ever hear. MUCH better than 5-17-74 imo. I even compared the two

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 23, 2007 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

2/24/74 is still my favorite but 11/24/79 is becoming a close second.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-02-24.sbd.windsor.199.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: countmlbjam Date: Jul 23, 2007 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

Most from 73-74 are hot. For post-ret. versions I enjoy 12-29-77, 5-9-79, 10-28-79, 11-24-79, 3-9-81

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Jul 23, 2007 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

The second set opener from Vegas 84 has a nice jam going into IKYR. I have an audience recording of it and you can really hear the energy as a result. I see there's just a SBD version here. It should still suffice though:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-04-06.sbd.willy.10159.sbeok.shnf

This show also has one of the slowest Hell in a Buckets and a really fast Eyes coming out of Space.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 23, 2007 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

11/11/73 Beauty Transition
4/5/71 Hard-driving rocked-up version

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Poster: esreveRDelay Date: Jul 23, 2007 8:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

You would probaly get a better list of the not so grate ones first, pretty short list. Then start listening from the early ones to the late ones. Enjoy!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 23, 2007 8:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

can't say that there is one all time version, there's a bunch of top shelf versions, my favorites are...08-27-1972, 05-19-1974, 05-17-1981, 10-11-1983, 09-20-1990...could probably reel off another 5 versions just almost as good as those...11-11-1973, 06-26-1974, 05-09-1979, 06-25-1985, 08-19-1989 come to mind...but then you can't forget about 10-25-1973, 12-29-1977, 08-16-1980, 04-14-1982, 10-15-1983...did anyone mention 05-06-1970 or 12-09-1981?

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jul 23, 2007 9:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

I was going to say 5/19/74.. a person above mentioned 5/17/74.. go listen to 5/19!! PNE coliseum right? that china>rider flows

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Poster: deadhead66 Date: Jul 23, 2007 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China → Rider suggestions

Civic Convention Hall Auditorium, Philadelphia, PA 8/5/74 I
Mississippi River Festival, Edwardsville, IL 8/16/80 II

Best,
dh66

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Poster: wineland Date: Jul 23, 2007 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China → Rider suggestions

I was going to throw in 8.16.80 as a top pick. I think this recording is slightly better. Set 1 doesn't sound as good, so skip to set 2. CCRider>China>Rider. Great stuff.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd80-08-16.aud.vernon.14044.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jul 23, 2007 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

I mention this China > Rider because I have never seen it reported on here -

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-12-09.sbd.clugston.13061.sbeok.shnf

not the best, but a wild ending to the first set. has Bobby calling for the break before the song even ends. worth a listen, if only for the Rider (though I like much of the show).

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Jul 23, 2007 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

again

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-10-12.sbd.macdonald.7916.sbeok.shnf

the whole show smokes. rocking as hell, blissful, higher than high china > rider closes 1st set. plenty of other goodies too: super charged cumberland, grate ship of fools, powerful estimated, beautiful stella



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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 23, 2007 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

6/26/74.

It's a classic for a reason.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 23, 2007 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

I have to agree with 12-9-81, and have sung its praises on various occassions here. I remember this version as if it was yesterday. This is my personal favorite China Cat > Rider. China cat is flawlessly played and the jam is sweet, however it is the Rider that particularly stands out. There is a point near the end of the first jam where Phil drops a nice bomb and then rips out an awesome lick. Jerry hears this turn of events, turns towards Phil and, with a wide grin on his face, turns his playing up a notch as well. The rest of the song is just stellat. As mentioned before, Bobby does some vocal ad libbing that, IMO, neither adds or subtracts from the jam. Oh yeah, and if you're a LLR fan, the version that leads into the CC>Rider is among the best ever, the rainfall jam at the end is just exquisite.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-12-09.sbd.clugston.13061.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 23, 2007 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

11/24/79

My personal fave. China starts out so-so, but by the time they hit the transition jam, its a monster.

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Poster: swamiGD80s Date: Jul 23, 2007 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

10-15-83 the raw speed and energy is exhilarating
9-10-83 a close 2nd..

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 23, 2007 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finest China/Rider

In addition to the "monster" version SDH has suggested, I dig this extremely well jammed transition...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-06-16.sbd.fink.17701.sbeok.shnf